Brazilās Lula backtracks on Putin arrest safety at Rio G20
Putin missed the G20 summit in India, avoiding any risk of criminal detention under an ICC warrant for alleged war crimes.
Published On 11 Sep 202311 Sep 2023
Brazilās leader has withdrawn his personal assurance that Russian President Vladimir Putin would not be arrested if he attends next yearās Group of 20 summit in Rio de Janeiro, saying it would be up to the judiciary to decide.
President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva also questioned Brazilās membership in the United Nations war crimes court, saying on Monday āemerging countries often sign things that are detrimental to themā.
āI want to know why we are members but not the United States, not Russia, not India, not China,ā Lula said. āIām not saying Iām going to leave the court. I just want to know why Brazil is a signatory.ā
Putin missed this yearās G20 gathering in the Indian capital, New Delhi, avoiding possible political opprobrium and any risk of criminal detention under an International Criminal Court (ICC) warrant.
In March, the ICC announced an arrest warrant for Putin over the war crime accusation of unlawfully deporting Ukrainian children. The Kremlin denies the accusations insisting the warrant against Putin is āvoidā.
Russia issued an arrest warrant for Karim Khan, the prosecutor at The Hague-based war crimes court, in May and he was added to the āwanted listā of its Ministry of Internal Affairs.
āThe judiciary decidesā
Brazil is a signatory to the Rome Statute, which led to the founding of the ICC. Lula raised eyebrows at the weekend when he told Indian news network Firstpost: āIf Iām the president of Brazil and if he [Putin] comes to Brazil, thereās no way that he will be arrested.ā
He changed tack on Monday at a press conference in Brazil telling reporters: āI donāt know if Brazilās justice will detain him. Itās the judiciary that decides, itās not the government.ā
Putin has skipped recent international gatherings and sent his Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov to New Delhi instead for the September 9-10 G20 meeting, even though India is not an ICC signatory.
On Saturday, the G20 nations adopted a declaration that avoided condemning Moscow for the war in Ukraine but called on all states to refrain from using force to grab territory.
The next summit is slated for November 2024 in Rio de Janeiro and Lula said he hoped āby then the war is overā.
This is what happens when youāre wanted for war crimes. The reason the US, Russia, India and China are not members is the the possibility of needing to hand over citizens to the Hague.
so US donāt want to take reponsability for their own war crimes?
As an American, we should sign the treaty, and we should remand people to The Hague if theyāre indicted for war crimes. The US needs to stop carving out exceptions for itself in contexts like this. Itās frustratingly contradictory with our stated desire to reinforce the modern rules-based geopolitical order - and Iām certain itās quite a bit more than āfrustratingā for non-Americans to watch.
The republican party didnāt want to take responsibility for war crimes.
President Bill Clinton was critically involved in setting the thing up, but left office before he could sign it.
Dubya, aka president George Bush, then pulled out of it entirely unless they baked in perpetual blanket immunity for the US. Notably this was before 9/11, legalizing torture, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Uh, Clinton is a war criminal
I mean, yeahā¦
The US has a law that says they would invade The Hague if they ever tried an US citizen there
The US has their own justice system. War crimes are taken to US courts, offenders prosecuted and jailed. What the US doesnāt do is wait for international courts to act.
War crimes are taken to US courts, offenders prosecuted and jailed.
Sometimes.
Almost never
Our laws align with international law.
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Thatās why itās gitmo. Itās not under US law. If it was those prisoners would have other kinds of rights that we donāt want them to have.
Last US War crime I can remember was Clint Lorance who k I liked some Afgan villagers. He was serving a 19 year sentance, and was pardoned by Trump.
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no?, your justice is very different from other countries
Other countries isnāt international law.
Oh yeah the US breaking the Geneva Convention by fucking torturing people to death totes didnāt break international law
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Nobody is ever going to arrest Putin, because if they did theyād have to explain why they donāt do the same for Bush, Cheney, Blair, etc.
Nobody is going to arrest the leader of a nation with Nuclear Weapons.
why they donāt do the same for Bush, Cheney, Blair, etc.
Iirc the USA said the didnāt care about Hague and that they would invade netherlands if they ever tried to arrest a US politician or general.
The United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court (ICC). The Act authorizes the President of the United States to use āall means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Courtā. This authorization led to the act being colloquially nicknamed āThe Hague Invasion Actā, as the act allows the President to order U.S. military action, such as an invasion of The Hague, where the ICC is located, to protect American officials and military personnel from prosecution or rescue them from custody.
Indeed. Someone should be the first one though
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If Putin was more open to diplomacy then heād probably be safer from international arrest, since it would kill diplomacy to speak of arresting the person youāre negotiating with. But if youāre the one who killed diplomatic efforts yourself, well you gotta imagine theyāre thinking of other ways to deal with you.
Putin missed the G20 summit in India, avoiding any risk of criminal detention under an ICC warrant for alleged war crimes.
This does not make sense. India is not a signatory to the Rome Statute.
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