• wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    Fears of peace talks

    What kind of bullshit Orwellian headline is this? Peace is GOOD, stopping the bloodshed is GOOD. We WANT less people to die.

    • darq@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      The only reason I opened the article, “whatchu mean fear of peace talks?!”

      Like I get it, Ukraine shouldn’t capitulate. But ending the bloodshed is a good thing, surely.

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        1 year ago

        To what end though? Freeze the border where it is now and give Russia another few years to build up force for round 3?

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          I suppose that’s up to Ukraine, right? They’re the ones fighting so it makes sense for them to decide what terms they’d be willing to accept.

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            1 year ago

            So, you didn’t read the article? The fear is not about peace talks, it’s about support from the US forcing them while Ukraine is making progress.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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              But I thought Ukraine was a free and sovereign nation making its own decisions. You NAFO bots really need to get your story straight.

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        The issue is that we’ve already tried the whole peace thing before. Remember the Budapest Memorandum? The Minsk Protocol & Minsk II? The Partition & Friendship Treaties?

        I feel like the heart of the issue is that Russia doesn’t want peace. If it did, we would not be here in the first place.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          You mean the Minsk agreements Ukraine refused to implement for 8 years, and the west has now admitted were designed to buy time to arm Ukraine for the proxy war. Not really helping your case there bud.

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            …Ukraine refused to implement for 8 years, and the west has now admitted were designed to buy time to arm Ukraine for the proxy war

            [citation needed]

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                can’t even be bothered to google?

                No, I’m invoking Hitchen’s Razor.

                While I will concede the Minsk Agreement, there’s still the issue of the Partition Treaty, the Treaty of Friendship, and the Budapest Memorandum. All of which were meant to encode Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                  Claiming there is no evidence for something that’s well documented is just flaunting your own ignorance. All of the treaties you mentioned were respected by Russia until US overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine in a violent coup. A fact that’s, once again, has been extensively documented in western media. It takes stunning amounts of intellectual dishonesty to ignore this and peddle your narrative.

                  • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    Fuck off with this shit dude. We had a revolution to tell the Russian stooges to GTFO. You don’t get to gaslight a people for the choices they made. Your bias is showing моска́ль.

                    Don’t bother responding.

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      1 year ago

      The fear is that there is pressure for peace talk conditions to be less than fair to Ukraine, that this would be little more than appeasement of Russia, like what happened with Czechoslovakia in the 1930s

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        Ukraine was in a far better position when US and UK sabotaged peace talks last March, and Ukrainian position continues to deteriorate. So what exactly do you think delaying negotiations more is going to accomplish?

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      The hill is a pretty conservative outlet but this is a disturbing headline for sure. The only way to end the war is with peace talks, there is no other option. The better Ukraine does on the ground the better they will do in the negotiations.

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        Always pay attention to the commenter‘s instance. All three above are hexbear users, so expect a heavy pro russian stance.