• AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    Please upvote this comment if you are a liberal and this headline gave you pause and maybe a nagging “are we the baddies?” moment of reflection

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      1 year ago

      And then I read the article and remembered: reality is more complicated then good-bad.

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        1 year ago

        A sociopath told you that you aren’t capable of having moral judgements about people dying and that you needed to listen to vetted experts instead. It’s not complicated actually. I contend that pointless death is in fact a bad thing

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          Good to know if someone invaded your country that you would be a capitulator and collaborator in the name of an unjust peace.

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              Even if I would do that I suppose you wouldn’t be happier with the situation. And guess what, neither would I.

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                But that’s what you’re saying, right? These deaths are valuable just for the sake of fighting in some abstract sense? Because the bad guy is bad?

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                  No, as I said in my first answer, there are no generally right or wrong answers. There are people dying because of some vanity project of the rich and powerful. I also hold the opinion, that those shall be prevented at all costs. But if my information on the conflict is correct and this war started as a civil war on the topic of secession, then the question get’s hard to answer almost instantly, and also highly individual.

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          I do too. That’s why I hope Ukraine is able to defend themselves against Russia bombing hospitals and torturing children. Once they’ve pushed Russia all the way back to their border, I hope that the world gives Ukraine so many weapons that Russia will never think about attacking them again.