• DoomBot5@lemmy.world
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    Terrorist group Hamas is shooting rockets from there, so of course Israel isn’t going to ignore it completely. If Hamas stopped hiding behind civilians, the entire area would have been left alone.

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      Why does Hamas hiding amongst civilians justify killing those civilians?

      How many people have been killed by those rockets vs. how many children killed by the IDF?

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        How many people have been killed by those rockets vs. how many children killed by the IDF?

        I’ll remind you that Hamas recruits children. Is an unfortunate situation where the children and terrorists counts have some overlap.

        Also, why is it always about kill counts? Are you saying it would be more okay with if Hamas successfully killed more people?

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          Why is it kill counts? Because over 13,000 children have been killed in this war. I suppose you’ll claim all 13,000 of them were Hamas soldiers. Even the babies.

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            Sure, put words in my mouth. You’ve yet to answer why you’re justifying rockets fired at Israeli civilians just because they’re mostly being stopped, while condemning rockets fired at Hamas.

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                How many people have been killed by those rockets vs. how many children killed by the IDF?

                Right there, you made it clear that unless both sides suffered deaths, it’s okay for one side to do things that you then comdemn the others for.

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                  I have absolutely no idea how you could interpret what I said that way.

                  Interesting for someone who told me I was putting words in their mouth…

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                    Oh very easily. I said Hamas is shooting rockets out of there, and your immediate reaction is “so what IDF killed more people than Hamas, so it’s fine”

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                  You’re admitting to being on the wrong side without realizing it. IDF has been the instigator committing what the rest of us call terror attacks on civilians for decades and you are incapable of acknowledging that makes them bad guys.

                  You’re also incapable of acknowledging that both sides have civilians which needs protection.

                  Because you only think one group of civilians are human.

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                    Oh right, instigators with holy leaders that say murdering Jews will get you to heaven, and government officials that pay your family using international funds if you go and kill Jews. Oh wait.

                    You’re also incapable of acknowledging that both sides have civilians which needs protection.

                    Sure they need protection. One government does all they can to protect their civilians, the other stripped them of resources and instead choose to go attacking others using those same resources needed for life.

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          I’ll remind you that Hamas recruits children.> I’d argue that Israel does Hamas’ recruiting, by murdering their parents.

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      Don’t lie to us, and stop lying to yourself.

      For over 100 years zionists have been terrorizing and committing genocide there. They killed or pushed out the Muslims, they disenfranchised the Christians until they left. They’re currently clamping down on Jewish people who don’t believe in Zionism.

      They have always pushed. Every treaty, every agreement. Every legal attempt to stop the violence has been ignored, or discarded under paper thin or faulty pretenses. Terror is often the last resort of a people who have no other options. (Unless western nations give you billions of dollar in weapons and force other nations to recognize your presence, then you can call it statecraft!)

      For zionists and for Israel, the goal has always been to paint the land red with non-believer blood and to destroy every bit of culture that isn’t ‘theirs.’
      That’s why they bomb mosques and universities. That’s why they bomb infrastructure. That’s why the West Bank has been split into tiny enclaves. They’re choking the life out of the land so they can plant the seeds of their hollow society on barren soil.

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        That’s great fiction you’re writing there. Too bad you show no actual understanding of the region. It’s almost as if you get your info from outlets peddling anti-Israel hate, since their governments failed to wipe it and all the people in it off the map repeatedly.

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          How did you know?!? I have to admit, my beliefs were really hard to come by. I almost didn’t have them!

          I read Exodus when I was 13 and I believed it. A few years later, a history teacher challenged me to write a research paper over Israel for my IB history class, so in spring of 2002, I had to work so hard to find anti-Israel propaganda. I didn’t really find any in news media, but I went to the school library, and those people are absolute radicals!
          They had books from the 1960’s that discussed Jewish settlers forming militias and attacking “moslem” civilians and burning their family farms. It totally blew my mind that Ben Gurion coordinated terror attacks on British officials in the region, so Britain would withdraw and let the Zionists massacre Palestinians - which they did within weeks of Britain formally withdrawing from Palestine in 1948.
          Finding all those anti-Israel accounts of things they actually did was a lot of work!

          I got an A on that paper, though.

          Where and how did you learn what you know?

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            Where and how did you learn what you know?

            I kept reading on and did more research to get the actual facts of the situation, not just stop at the surface level.

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              Yet you’ve offered no comment that wasn’t surface level. When pressed, you fell back on insinuating others were uninformed or intellectually lazy. Claims you failed to substantiate.

              Your comments lack substance. Your positions lack support. You fail to engage intellectually, and the embarrassment you feel at being outclassed is palpable and plainly visible.
              You are naked and shameful.

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          Israel has always been the one with the highest body count and the greatest number of ceasefire violations and greatest amount of land stolen.

          Are Israeli newspapers peddling anti Israel hate too? Are they?

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        I never said Hamas was not in Rafah. In fact that’s the opposite of what I said. I did say it was designated a safe zone. Now they’re moving the safe zone to a new area and the people with it.