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Very weird that I am so old and have literally never heard this mentioned in a TV show or book or movie or anything.

In four out of five states, if you go to prison, you are literally paying for the time you spend there.

As you can guess, this results in crippling debt as soon as you’re released.

The county gets back a fraction of what they hold over your head the rest of your life until you commit suicide(or die naturally and peacefully with the sword of damocles hanging over your head).

$20-$80 a day according to Rutgers.

Counties apparently sue people and employ wage garnishment to get back the money that majority of people obviously cannot pay back.

https://www.rutgers.edu/news/states-unfairly-burdening-incarcerated-people-pay-stay-fees

  • goldenlocks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    6 months ago

    The request was for “not bottom of the barrel”, not perfect. If you’re looking for a perfect politician, you’ve defined an impossible task.

    We have different standards. I couldn’t live with myself voting for billions to Raytheon and Boeing like you do.

    No. I vote against the worst, the party openly embracing fascism.

    You could do that without voting for “corporate run dystopia” by voting green party.

    I’d rather consent to corporate run dystopia than fascism.

    I’m consenting to neither.

    Meanwhile you’re consenting to fascism with your choice to throw away your vote. You do not have the high ground here.

    Nope. You just admitted that you are. This is how voting works lmao. I’m literally not by casting a vote against it, and you are.

    • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      6 months ago

      We have different standards. I couldn’t live with myself voting for billions to Raytheon and Boeing like you do.

      Voting for a politician is not an open agreement with every action they take. I didn’t vote for billions to go to war manufacturers. I voted against Trump.

      You could do that without voting for “corporate run dystopia” by voting green party.

      Thus splitting the vote and landing us in Gilead, no thanks. I don’t want to get killed by the state for being LGBTQ+

      I’m consenting to neither.

      I’m literally not by casting a vote against it, and you are.

      Gonna straight up steal from a different user.

      "Voting does sort of make you complicit, honestly.

      But guess what? Not voting also makes you complicit. So does voting in a way that has no chance of having an effect based on the current rules.

      Basically, existing as an eligible voter, at least in a country where voting isn’t rigged (so like, Russians are off the hook here, for example) makes you complicit in your government’s actions.

      That’s kind of a big point of being in a democratic society - we are all, every one of us, responsible for the actions of our government.

      And if you don’t like that responsibility, I get it, I totally sympathize, because I agree. I hate that responsibility, especially cause I know damn well I’m not qualified to make those decisions. But I still am responsible, and pretending I’m not doesn’t change that."

      https://lemmy.world/comment/9735774

      So bullshit. I’m assuming you voted 3rd party in 2016. You chose to vote in a way that had no chance of having any effect to stave off Trump. So you are complicit in Trump. You consented to Trump. And thanks to people like you, we are now losing abortion access. The SCOTUS is now openly debating if a president can have political opponents killed. The road of fascism we are heading down is directly a result of people limply throwing pissing their vote into the wind.

      • goldenlocks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        Voting for a politician is not an open agreement with every action they take. I didn’t vote for billions to go to war manufacturers.

        You literally did, and are planning to in November.

        I voted against Trump.

        Same here, by voting for the green party.

        Thus splitting the vote and landing us in Gilead, no thanks. I don’t want to get killed by the state for being LGBTQ+

        Nope. Most green voters I’ve convinced have been non-voters. They are the biggest voting block.

        That’s kind of a big point of being in a democratic society - we are all, every one of us, responsible for the actions of our government.

        They just described why I vote green party.

        And if you don’t like that responsibility, I get it, I totally sympathize, because I agree. I hate that responsibility, especially cause I know damn well I’m not qualified to make those decisions. But I still am responsible, and pretending I’m not doesn’t change that.

        Yes, that’s why we’re responsible for building a better party, very simple to understand.

        So bullshit. I’m assuming you voted 3rd party in 2016. You chose to vote in a way that had no chance of having any effect to stave off Trump. So you are complicit in Trump. You consented to Trump. And thanks to people like you, we are now losing abortion access. The SCOTUS is now openly debating if a president can have political opponents killed. The road of fascism we are heading down is directly a result of people limply throwing pissing their vote into the wind.

        I’m proud I did not consent to Trump or Clinton in 2016, you did. Green have a chance because Dems and Republicans are terrible. You’re just a scared, disenfranchised little child that can’t make your own decisions. I am responsible for improving my government, which is why I’m building a better option in the Green party. You do nothing but whine and submit to fascism, pathetic.

        • LengAwaits@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          6 months ago

          Belittling people is rarely a good dialectical tactic, and speaks to your own level of maturity. If this is the type of discourse employed by green party supporters and campaign volunteers, I’ll be staying away.

          Based on what I’ve seen of your post history here, you’re a combative ideologue who’s not interested in building anything other than ill-will, with seemingly zero desire to talk about anything that doesn’t give you an opportunity to aggressively proselytize. You seem to turn every conversation you have into an abrasive display of your moral superiority, repeating the same talking points ad nauseum while abandoning any points that shift out of your favor.

          Perhaps you hope that you can activate non-voters with your accusatory, venomous, divisive rhetoric, but I struggle to see how that strategy will be beneficial should a Green candidate make it to the Presidency. Coalition building with the Democratic party will absolutely be necessary to get Green legislation through congress early on; It seems short-sighted to belittle and alienate those who vote closest to your interests on the political spectrum by equating them with those who vote furthest from your interests. Ideals are important, but game theory underpins all political action and must be considered.

          Further, RCV does not require the Green party to be implemented. Many states have been experimenting with RCV (and other alternative voting systems) without leadership from the Green party (source). That trend has been picking up steam across the nation.

          • goldenlocks@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            Belittling people is rarely a good dialectical tactic, and speaks to your own level of maturity.

            Only in response to their claims, I am not “belittling” them, they made those statements themselves that they consent to “corporate facism”, I do not.

            If this is the type of discourse employed by green party supporters and campaign volunteers, I’ll be staying away.

            That’s fine, I’m targeting non-voters.

            Based on what I’ve seen of your post history here, you’re a combative ideologue who’s not interested in building anything other than ill-will, with seemingly zero desire to talk about anything that doesn’t give you an opportunity to aggressively proselytize.

            That is necessary considering how heavy handed pro-capitalist propaganda is. What would you like to discuss?

            You seem to turn every conversation you have into an abrasive display of your moral superiority, repeating the same talking points ad nauseum while abandoning any points that shift out of your favor.

            The truth is hard to accept, and I am not ashamed of being against fascist corporate control of our economy, regardless of how hard you try to make me conceed that. Now provide an example of me abandoing any point that has been “out of my favor”.

            Perhaps you hope that you can activate non-voters with your accusatory, venomous, divisive rhetoric, but I struggle to see how that strategy will be beneficial should a Green candidate make it to the Presidency.

            https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voter-turnout-2018-2022/ There is plenty, in fact it is often a majority.

            Coalition building with the Democratic party will absolutely be necessary to get Green legislation through congress early on; It seems short-sighted to belittle and alienate those who vote closest to your interests on the political spectrum by equating them with those who vote furthest from your interests. Ideals are important, but game theory underpins all political action and must be considered.

            The Democratic party will not be there to offer a coalition. They spend millions trying to prevent Greens from even being on the ballot. Your “game theory” is wrong considering you used nonfactual inputs. The only path towards progress is rejecting all pro-capitalist actors, which will more than make up for it with support from the poor working class.

            Further, RCV does not require the Green party to be implemented. Many states have been experimenting with RCV (and other alternative voting systems) without leadership from the Green party (source). That trend has been picking up steam across the nation.

            Gaslighting at it finest, I never claimed the Green party was necessary for RCV to be implemented, only the Democrats will fight against it since it hurts their chances against third parties. The trend has been by ballot initiatives, not Democratic legislation.

            • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              6 months ago

              Only in response to their claims, I am not “belittling” them, they made those statements themselves that they consent to “corporate facism”, I do not.

              You straight up called me a dumbass because I disagreed with you.

              Yeah, get the fuck out of here. /u/LengAwaits is right, if this is what the green party stands for, fuck off.

              • goldenlocks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11·
                6 months ago

                You straight up called me a dumbass because I disagreed with you.

                You said that yourself.

                Yeah, get the fuck out of here. /u/LengAwaits is right, if this is what the green party stands for, fuck off.

                Don’t want your help, targeting non voters not brainwashed liberals.