• Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    meaningful change can only happen when the state is at a legitimate state of strain

    I took this to mean that you want the State to get worse so people will start a revolution. Maybe I misunderstood.

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      6 months ago

      No, the state will get worse regardless. I want people to strike, unionize, organize, and pressure the state as best they can, and I do believe revolution is the best way to get there, but I don’t think the path there is to intentionally vote for bad policy so everyone suffers even more, lol.

      Like I said, I will almost certainly be voting for Biden, but the idea that Biden is “slow, positive change” cannot be the prevailing thought process if we want actual change to occur. Biden is slow, negative change while Trump is fast negative change.

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          6 months ago

          You’re remarkably bad at reading.

          Capitalism is in decline. Continuing Capitalism continues this decline. Slight bumps upward on a downward trend line does not reverse the dowmward trend. Make sense when put that way for you?

          Would it kill you to actually engage with leftist ideas, rather than run away the second you don’t have an actual response, by the way?

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            6 months ago

            Biden is slow, negative change

            Verbatim. So Biden is not bad for the nation? It’s an upward trend? And this is…bad?

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              6 months ago

              Reading is hard for you. Biden has occasional upward ticks on an overall downward trend, he isn’t an upward trend. If the ship is sinking and you don’t fix the holes, there isn’t an upward trend.

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                  6 months ago

                  The country is getting worse, and he is not reversing that trend. By maintaining Capitalism, he is participating in making it worse. Occasionally he comes out with a nice act or law, but within the broader context of the direction the country is going, it matters little.

                  I’ve said the same thing 3 times now, you’re not getting another.

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                    6 months ago

                    Okay. So it’s impossible for Biden to make anything better unless he undoes capitalism? Any good things he does are overshadowed by capitalism?

                    Isn’t that a bit dogmatic? You’re mistaking the means (socialism) for the ends (better society, happier people).

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        6 months ago

        So the path forward is killing people? Because that’s what revolution entails. Once the killings start they tend to be indiscriminate and less about idealism than consolidating power. There’s a long history of revolution, and I can’t think of a single one that didn’t go off the rails and devolve into insanity. What makes this revolution you’re dreaming about different?

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          6 months ago

          Revolution is the only way to meaningfully change whichever class is in power. It does not need to be violent, it can take on any number of forms.

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            5 months ago

            Can you give an example of when a revolution wasn’t violent? Just one. Ever. In the history of humanity?