• AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    In A New Hope, the only time stormtroopers miss is when they do so intentionally, when they’re chasing the protagonists off the Death Star, and onto the Millenium Falcon, which has been fitted with a tracking device which they know will be taken straight to the rebel base. They easily overwhelm the guards on the Tantive IV at the beginning of the film even when only a few of them have made it through the breached airlock. The myth that stormtroopers miss comes from people not noticing the scene where Tarkin discusses intentionally letting the rebels escape so they can follow the tracking device back to their base.

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      7 months ago

      It’s sad that we don’t really get to see Stormtroopers at their peak outside of that one scene on the Tantive IV and that Disney nu-canon has essentially embraced the meme of them being inaccurate.

      I think the way the story is constructed clashes with the way movies are filmed for entertainment. We are explicitly told that the Stormtroopers are a force to be feared, and shown that exactly one time, but the narrative requires a bunch of nameless faceless mooks for the heroes to mow down during their action scenes because that’s more entertaining, so the Stormtroopers fill both roles and it gets muddled along the way.

      As for the Tusken sniper who took out Teemto on the podracing circuit, I’d chalk that up to a lucky shot. There were a few of them shooting, and it was a target rich environment, an he was the only one to get nailed in the engine and suffer a catastrophic failure despite it being a multi-lap race.

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        But we did see the Stormtroopers at their peak. That was the Clone Wars. During the first few years of the empire, the Stormtrooper army was made almost exclusively of clones. As more regular people were added, their frightening capabilities slowly decreased until, by RotJ, the Empire’s army is made entirely of new recruits who promptly get their asses handed to them.

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            Should I link you to every Star Wars book ever, or can you find them on your own? During most of the early Empire they were the same army. Some clones were in use up to episode IV. The 501st remained as Anakin’s particular army the entire time, from the end of EII to the fall of the Empire.

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              Oh my sweet summer child, the good clones trained the subpar clones from centex 2 that formed that army, they weren’t the original jango clones that were trained by the Kimonions.

              The Kamino clones took the roles the Jedi had, the ground troops are a mix of competitor clones not using original DNA, but mainly non-clone recruits. They are whollfully different armies.

              Ones literally under the republic, and the other under the empire.

              Storm troopers are not clones. Maybe take your own advice and read some of the books? I’m a third of the way through chronologically myself, which puts me in the middle of the clone wars.

              You’re just wrong on this one dude.

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                7 months ago

                You’re actually illiterate…

                centex 2

                Centax-2.

                Kimonions

                Kaminoans.

                whollfully

                Wholefully, but preferably wholly.

                The Kamino clones took the roles the Jedi had, the ground troops are a mix of competitor clones […] Storm troopers are not clones.

                You’ve just contradicted yourself. You somehow managed to do it in three sentences, no less.

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                  7 months ago

                  You only think I contradicted myself since you don’t understand the difference in the armies, and this discussion isn’t important enough for me to proof read my comment.

                  Kamino clones were basically non existent by that point since they were secretly being replaced by clones from centex. Ground troops include the grunts (storm troopers) officers and generals (centex clones) which is again, wholefully different than their trainers (kamino clones).

                  Storm troopers have never been clones and always been human recruits and you’re just too fucking stupid to comprehend the difference.

                  By the time what you’re talking even happened, any clones weren’t even jango clones, so they aren’t the same clone army, but they also aren’t grunts, that’s the recruited human storm troopers.

                  Can you provide any lore that says storm troopers are clones? This may help you figure this quite frankly extremely simple difference.

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                    You’re actually illiterate, holy fuck. Do humanity a favour and go back to grade-1.