• Fallenwout@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    What is up with all these haters. My friend has a model Y for 3yrs now and never had any issues. It is a great car. Panels gaps are fine, no ratlling dash. I drove it and I loved it! If I could afford it, I would buy the new model 3.

    Maybe Europe has different standards but they’re great cars!

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      7 months ago

      If you completely take Musk out of the equation, my issues with Tesla are:

      • The whole carbon credits thing
      • The price point is premium, but the build quality often isn’t
      • Other companies have largely eaten their lunch, launching solid EV’s that rival or better Tesla
      • Their reputation was built off of the end-goal of mass-producing affordable EV’s, something they will now not do.
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        7 months ago

        Not that I want to defend Musk, but

        The whole carbon credits thing

        I suppose here he just used something that was present, like many other entities

        Other companies have largely eaten their lunch, launching solid EV’s that rival or better Tesla

        Yes, only after Tesla show that it is possible to make a nice EV car. Do you remember all the EV cars before Tesla.

        Their reputation was built off of the end-goal of mass-producing affordable EV’s, something they will now not do.

        Given they started from scratch, I’d say the are not that bad

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      7 months ago

      Survivor bias is a thing. One car not having issues doesn’t mean all or majority of them don’t. Besides I think people have their expectations messed up. For a 60k$ car it has to be perfect, not just “not having issues” because in ICE world that amount of money buys you some seriously good car.

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        Survivor bias is a thing.

        Yes, but normally also the fact that only who has problems is vocal about them.

        One car not having issues doesn’t mean all or majority of them don’t.

        True, but also does not means that the majority of them had problems.

        For a 60k$ car it has to be perfect, not just “not having issues” because in ICE world that amount of money buys you some seriously good car.

        Good luck with this.

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            7 months ago

            My ICE car (same price range of the Tesla 3 and Y) had so many issues that make me consider to change it more than a couple of times, so maybe you at least need to not be unlucky.

            What I agree with you is that, normally, a 60k $ car from an well-established brand is way less prone to have quality issues than a car in the same prince range from a brand that 20 years ago did not even exist but I am sure enough that if we look at the same number of 60k $ cars from other brand with the same thoroughness we use to find defects in a Tesla, we probably will end up with roughly the same number of defects.

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              And I wouldn’t have forgiven those cars either. 60k$ is a lot of money and you need to get a lot of car for it. Just getting a vehicle that’s reliable and will serve you well for years requires no more than 15k$ maybe 20k$. So everything above that is luxury, be it in number of seating or quality or something else.

              For 60k$, you can get:

              • Mercedes-Benz E-Class 2024;
              • Jaguar XF 2024;
              • BMW 5 Series 2024;
              • Audi A6 2024.

              You know when I’d go for Tesla over any of these? Never. More to the point you can get EVs from most of these manufacturers at about same price range. And rest assured panels are not misaligned there or car scrapes tires off after 6 months or that steering wheel falls apart after three months of use. But if nothing else matters, distribution network and service centers these manufacturers have is huge so servicing your car and finding parts is easy, or at least significantly easier. With Tesla you can only go to Tesla. There’s no authorized dealers or service centers.

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      7 months ago

      Plus what’s up with hating a company just because it’s CEO is an outspoken dickhead? He doesn’t even seem to be paying attention to Tesla anymore, so can’t we decide on a company’s products, by what the company actually does?

      And I’ll agree, maybe the rest of the world has other choices, but in the US, there are good reasons Tesla dominates the EV market. You don’t have to agree, but should be able to see the reality

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        Tesla’s image and public perception was built mostly on the salesmanship of Elon Musk the man (mainly through self-agrandising promises, like the Cyber Truck and just straightforward deceit like calling their driving assist “full self driving”), on the consumer side more so early on and on the investor side still very much so even today (hence Tesla’s “Tech startup” kind of market valuation rather than an “auto maker” kind, though that seems to have started correcting).

        So it absolutelly makes sense that as trust in Elon Musk the man goes down, so goes trust in his promises and favorable portrayal of his companies’ and their products, and hence the massive PR around Tesla built by him is collapsing along with the public perception of him (it makes no logical sense to expect that a company controled by somebody one sees as a scam artist would impeccably honest and ethical and their products trully delivered on what’s promised in their glitzy marketing materials).

        Had Tesla’s image not been build up almost entirelly on “Trust Elon Musk he’s a visionary” you would’ve been right, but as it it is your “argument” comes out as one side “cake and eat it” fanboyism.