• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    The most “left” dem is right wing and wants to implement right wing solutions. The dems are not left.

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        8 months ago

        Being less right does not mean more left, because politics are not actually axial. Being less right wing does not necessarily mean you’re more Socialist.

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          8 months ago

          So you’re just claiming that whatever you believe, at the intensity you believe, is left wing, and all other things are not.

          Stupid as hell, but whatever.

          The point of my comment was liberals are not as bad as actual literal nazis. Do you disagree?

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            8 months ago

            No, I’m not claiming that, lol. Don’t put words in my mouth, especially if you’re acknowledging that it’s stupid as hell. It’s both not what I said, and is condescending as fuck.

            Left wing refers to Socialism, ie worker ownership of the means of production. Could be via Democratic Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, Synicalism, whatever. Liberalism isn’t in that picture, because it’s focused on Capitalism.

            Liberals aren’t as bad as Nazis, which is what you should’ve said, instead of saying that liberals are more left wing than Nazis. That doesn’t make any sense, liberals aren’t any more Socialist, they just aren’t as fascist, so they are less extreme Capitalists.

            Simple.

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              8 months ago

              Liberals aren’t as bad as Nazis

              Great. I’m gonna ignore all the other red herrings and drill down on this.

              When your options are “bad” and “less bad”, shouldn’t you vote for “less bad”?

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                8 months ago

                Yes, I never insinuated otherwise. However, your point this entire time is that this should move America to the left, and that leftists should be happy with that, which is wrong in both cases.

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                  8 months ago

                  Well I disagree with your weird take that there’s not a spectrum from right wing to centrist to liberal to “leftist”, so the terminology is different. In your weird non axial political verbiage, I would say “this should move America farther away from the right, and that leftists should be happy with that.”

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                    8 months ago

                    It moves America further from fascism, but not closer to Socialism. Given that the goal of leftists is both anticapitalism and pro-socialism, failing to include the pro-socialist aspect means it’s never going to be good for leftists, just not as bad, thus its on the liberals to actively throw the leftists a bone, rather than being not as evil.