• TigrisMorte@kbin.social
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    8 months ago

    Wake up and what? Their demands are not achievable by Biden. He cannot as so many of the threads claim, just call up bibi and tell him to stop. Doing so would likely eliminate what little leverage a Democratic President has over the extremist right wing of Israel. It certainly would not have any desirable outcome.

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      He could not bypass congress to sell weapons to israel. He could not promote bills pledging billions more to israel. He could not proudly proclaim himself a zionist on a late night talk show in support of israel while they’re carrying out genocide. He could direct the UN representative to not veto resolutions on israel.

      There’s plenty that could be done, but democrats are mighty fond of the word “can’t” unless it’s for causes that their billionaire sugar daddies want.

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        Misrepresentation is still a lie. Not how any of this works. President has authority only to do as the Constitution or Congress allows, in which case there is no bypass. And following your advise would lose far more Votes than it would gain. And as the loons that have fallen for this bit of Pootie’s division propaganda are going to hold their breath until they turn blue while stamping their feet regardless of reality, unlikely to gain any significant Votes regardless.

        But please, tell us more of the very new and never heard before, “bOtHsIdEs!!11!!!”.

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          If he loses for standing up to an ally commiting genocide then this country is fucked already.

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            Yes the country is already fucked. Because People demand the Democratic President fixes everything immediately regardless of the control available while the Republicans are allowed to do as much damage as possible thanks to those same idiots not Voting.

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              He doesn’t have to fix everything. We were all planning to vote for him again in November despite his record on Unions, Immigration, and Housing because he can’t do that stuff alone.

              This he has total control over and it’s a clear moral imperative.

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                His record on unions is magnificent, got the Railroad workers paid leave despite the propaganda you swallowed.
                On immigration he is trapped by the open border propaganda and immigrant=crime propaganda that have been swallowed by large swathes of the Voting public.
                He has no control over housing, despite the propaganda you swallowed.

                and you claim that you are not demanding impossible shit.

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                  He didn’t get them what they needed. That’s why Railroaders who actually work the trains and tracks held out until they legally couldn’t anymore. They still can’t actually take a sick day because the companies refuse to hire enough people and they have a loophole that says they can deny sick days if there’s not enough people to run the trains or work detail. They still have to schedule the sick days in advance as well. And their job is still not protected for taking a sick day, it counts against their point system and they can be automatically fired. They were and are pissed that the Unions and Biden took a victory lap over it.

                  Also, I’m not sure who you were responding to because I specifically said, “He can’t do that stuff alone.”

                  Stop looking for zebras when it’s horses. The demands could not be more clear.

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      He did it in 2021. He can also stop aid right now and stop blocking a UN ceasefire. It would legitimize the Israeli left’s efforts and possibly cause a new government in Israel.

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        And lose a few million Votes by turning his back on Israel. Hmm, potential couple hundred thousand idiots don’t Vote or several million don’t. You desire is stupid.

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          Polling does not have American support for Israel that high, and certainly not in battleground states. It’s mostly in safe states.

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            Not relevant. Polls didn’t have support for Palestine that high either, until the division propaganda anyway.

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              You mean the headline news articles about Israel shooting aid convoys because “Hamas” is with them. Only it turns out that it’s the local police trying to distribute aid in an orderly manner? That propaganda?

              Or the beheaded babies that turned out to be a poorly orchestrated conspiracy to lie about an already horrible event?

              Or the accusations about UNRWA that our own intelligence community rated “low confidence”, which is Intel speak for either unprovable or utter bullshit?

              Yeah. There’s been some propaganda going on but it’s not who you assume it is.

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                No, I mean nothing of the sort. Oh, and again, none of that is relevant as the subject isn’t your moral condemnation, oh holier than thou dip stick, but in actuality the subject is US Voters that shall crucify any politician stupid enough to suggest Israel shall not be protected. So stamp your feet and call all those suggesting you pay attention genocidists, but reality shall continue as it has been where politicians know better what the balance of Votes is.

                Oh, and the propaganda is the same ol’ same ol’
                nothing new, you are just the latest in a long line of useful idiots. Pootie is so proud, your ancestors, not so much.

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                  Lmao. American politicians have been infamously out of touch for 40 years. Universal background checks for guns sits at 80+% support and doesn’t get a bill. 57% of Americans want healthcare coverage for all guaranteed by the government. Oh and 50% of Americans say Israel’s response has gone too far.

                  Considering no one is seriously talking about regime change or successor states in US politics, that pretty clearly means there’s plenty of votes out there for Biden tying weapons to food aid and robust enforcement of the laws of war.