• Lauchs@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    This is the primary.

    Against an incumbent. The meaningful primaries were 2020, 2016.

    would you actually vote for someone under whose approval your relative thirsted to death?

    “My relative died, who cares if my choices actively make things worse for those who are still alive?”

    Sucks to have that sociopath as a relative I guess.

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        8 months ago

        I know! It is, at best, sociopathic to deliberately make things worse for people you claim to care about.

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          8 months ago

          Very clever. I mean that you are demonstrating no empathy for people who have lost a great deal.

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            8 months ago

            You’re infantalizing these people.

            We both agree on these two facts right:

            1. Trump would be worse for Palestineans.
            2. Not voting helps trump.

            So, the question really is do you think so little of these folks that you think they can’t comprehend those basic facts? Do you believe they are incapable of simple logic? Or do you think they are sociopaths? Or do you actually think they are disingenuous about their feelings for Palestineans?

            Out of the two of us, I’m the only one dignifying these people as functional, albeit grieving, adults. If you’d ever had to deal with the mountains of paperwork following an unexpected death you’d know that grief doesn’t turn you into a child.

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              8 months ago

              We don’t agree on those two facts.

              1. I don’t know if I truly believe there will be Palestinians by next January, so I don’t know if trump could be worse for them. If he takes office, he might be more enthusiastic, but I don’t think Netanyahu will stop as long as someone in the White House supports him. When Biden does it while holding his nose, it’s not less useful support.

              2. Not voting may help trump or Biden, depending on your jurisdiction.

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                8 months ago

                Oh boy, those are some pretty silly arguments. I can see why you’re supporting this nonsense then.

                1. Some 30,000 Palestineans are estimated to have died since October. You could have double that number die _every month _until January and there would be 4+ million Palestineans.

                Unless what, you think Bibbi is going to start dropping nukes? Really?

                1. Come on, that’s just the dumbest idea. Explain how an otherwise democratic voter, the type of voter whom the damn article is about, not voting somehow helps Biden.
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                  8 months ago

                  You’re rude to me too! How fun. This is my last reply.

                  I absolutely see the escalation that has already occurred from each month to the next and understand how things could get much worse, much more quickly, without nuclear bombs (think about Dresden).

                  A progressive voter in a solid blue area who will not vote for Biden but may have voted in this primary could absolutely help him by not voting for a third party candidate.

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                    8 months ago

                    Except, Dresden had a population of 600,000 and lost ~ 25000 people and many folks lived there throughout and after the war. Just like Palestinians will. And of course, if you read the news you’d know that Israel aims to have the bulk of their boots on the ground phase before the summer.

                    Biden but may have voted in this primary could absolutely help him by not voting for a third party candidate.

                    This is just silly. You might as well say Biden is actually helping Palestinians by not having the American military bomb Gaza.

                    I think at this point, you know how nonsensical your position is, you just don’t have the maturity to admit it. At least, I hope that’s what’s up. Because these are truly childish arguments and if this nonsense is what we on the left have to offer then we deserve to lose elections.