• aesthelete@lemmy.world
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    I’m pretty much a dove through and through with one exception: you must be able to fight to defend the sovereignty of your country.

    It is Russia that started the tension, then the conflict, and then the war. Appeasing a megalomaniac and hoping it will make them more measured is delusional.

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      Then as a peace loving person … why support continued fighting?

      Fighting Russia only leads to more war and towards what outcome? Completely defeat, embarrass and throw Russia up against a wall they can’t back out of? They would be forced into a corner where they would eventually use a nuclear option. If they are given the choice between defeat or suicide … they might take themselves and millions of people with them.

      I’m all in support of Ukrainian sovereignty and fighting for one’s country … but if it means risking the lives of millions of people around the world … what sense does that make?

      If we are capable of financing billions towards violent solutions … why not instead finance billions towards a peaceful resolution?

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        “If we are capable of financing billions towards violent solutions … why not instead finance billions towards a peaceful resolution?”

        Do you want us to spend billions on an ad campaign asking Russia to please stop invading a country? Uh I don’t know if you are history deaf or not but Russia will not stop, unless it is stopped.

        Something we Americans should really stick to is the “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” line. Russia is a terrorist state, and they have proven time and time again they cannot be reasoned with.

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        Then as a peace loving person … why support continued fighting?

        Pacifism is when I get to kick people and they don’t do anything about it.

        why not instead finance billions towards a peaceful resolution?

        …MDMA in Moscow’s water supply something along that line?

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        Russia’s goal is genocide. If you train were to give up, there will be millions of people put to death and sent to concentration camps in Siberia to die. So they really don’t have any other option. We have seen time and time again Russia commit crimes against humanity including to this day the continued operation of the gulag system.