There was a post from a mass media site the other day saying Turkey was approving Sweden to join NATO. This turned out to be a bit of wishful thinking.
Just want to note that the link is an opinion piece, not a news article.
As a citizen from Sweden this is all on Erdogan now. I don’t think we should agree to any more requirements. Just playing it out for political gain.
Legit question. What would be the tangible benefits of joining NATO?
Security in numbers from terrorist countries like russia
I really wanna know the opinion of a citizen of Sweden, the decision is about them. Do you currently consider Russia a threat to Sweden? It seems to me that they’re depleted after invading Ukraine and more or less failing. Would NATO not intervene in a hypothetical russian invasion of Sweden because of this vote?
NATO is a defensive alliance that only defends (counterattacks) when attacked. If Sweden is not in NATO and attacked by ruzzia terrorists, they’d be supported in the same way Ukraine is being supported now. If in NATO and attacked by ruzzia, ruzzia would be instantly flattened by NATO.
So would NATO… boom goes the nuke
Incorrect.
You do understand that nuclear war is final?
Would you prefer a fight like Ukraine’s (even if you win), or would you rather make sure the fight never happens?
It’s clear Putin doesn’t care about Russians dying. They’ve always just thrown blood at their targets.
I’m worried at some aspects of your comment that seem xenophobic in nature. Most Russians disagree with the decision to attack Ukraine and even a dictator like Putin can’t pull the string forever without breaking it. We already saw the consequences of him having to rely on mercenaries a couple weeks ago. He had to rely on them because there are not enough people willing to fight. So russians in general aren’t some zombies or pawns, we shouldn’t look at them that way.
On the other hand, I don’t see a real risk of Russia invading Sweden, and don’t even consider NATO’s response to a Russian’s hypothetical threat of invasion to another country to be the same, so in the end, while they didn’t get to join, I think they can move on without any damage and try joining later when conditions change. They’ll still be de facto protected.
Your comment is really weird. You are arguing about something the person you are replying to didn’t even say.
They didn’t say most Russians agree with the war. They also didn’t say Russians are zombies or pawns.
All they said was that Russian (Soviet union) leaders have a history of sacrificing their own citizens. That’s an undeniable fact.
And stating that is in no way xenophobic.
How many Ukrainians have described their own battlefield as a “meatgrinder”?
The US has been building military bases around the globe, constantly conducting military exercises and bombing arabic countries as a display of power and provocation against any nation who doesn’t ally with them, eventually they will start a 3rd World War.
NATO is based on the assumption the US will win any wars it fights,despite having been defeated by Vietnam and several others. The benefit of joining NATO is “you won’t get nuked the US when the war starts”. Naturally the neo-libs will mention this also applies in reverse but this is in fact the nature of a world war, you can’t stay neutral, you’d either ally yourself with China, North Korea and the others, or you’d ally yourself with the United States and other Nazi-sympathizing nations.
Therefore the benefit of joining NATO is securing your foothold on the winning side when WW3 happens, the downside is becoming a puppet and being required to bomb innocent civilians in Arabic nations, also probably Cuba and Venezuela when the US decides to go there.
Or, you know, a bunch of countries who agree not to invade each other. Sounds kinda nice to me. Also, to help each other if invaded… it really sounds like… a way to prevent war.
But sit there with your insane words and pretend Russia isn’t actively trying to capture a peaceful and sovereign nation.
It worked perfectly for Serbia.
