• AClassyGentleman@lemmy.world
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    I mean I dunno why you’d want to preserve capitalism. It’s not like the parts outside of climate change are going super well either.

    (This comment brought to you by a hospital attempting to charge me $4,000 after telling me to eat a banana).

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      1 year ago

      Yep, I hear the pain… my son got similar advice and then the bill - 500 USD 😒 🤦. That was the lsst time I sent him to a clinic.

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      1 year ago

      American healthcare is a uniquely American problem - the other 37 OECD countries are all capitalist, and that wouldn’t have happened in any of them.

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    I’ve been saying that for years, but everyone said I was nuts. You can’t solve anything in capitalism. If money and consumerism are your only goals, that can’t solve anything. Best you can do is patch… and that’s about it. There is no money in long term solutions.

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      Well you can. You just have to make the things you don’t like more expensive.

      The problem is that US laws are written by the rich, and the rich don’t care.

      …so I guess there is a capitalist government, which doesn’t work. But in theory a good government and otherwise capitalist society could work. But this sort of sounds like socialism with extra steps.

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        That is also patching a deep seeded problem - seing everything through monetary perspective. That will also stop working at some point.

        I’m just saying that things like the Venus Project are the way to go if we wanna make a sustainable future. Combine that with socialisam and you can get a society that actually cares about humans, as well as everythin esle living on this earth. But, it has to be done on a global scale, while we’re still divided in countries, that is not gonna work as well.

        Alas, even if we don’t do anything, the earth will be fine, no problem there, she’s survived a lot worse than us. We are the ones thatbare fucked!

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          It is useful to have a common motivator. If you don’t like something tax it, if you do like something subsidize/pay for it. I think that is one of the big questions to answer with other systems. If we remove money as a motivator (or at least greatly reduce its value) what will replace it? There will always be greedy people, even if most people can live comfortably. What will be used to motivate them to the common good?

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            Reeducation. Take back in moral values as real values, not something that is just admired on paper. Educate them from a very early age that if you prosper, everyone else prospers as well, if you work hard and everyone else works hard, the system works, if not, it doesn’t. If you embed these values in people, they will grow, it just takes time.

            The problem is, people unite and decide to change things only when faced with grave danger. By that point, it might already be too late… but, I guess we’ll see what the future holds.

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    I mean it’s entirely possible to live in a mostly capitalistic world and not have climate change. It just needs the right rules and regulations and taxes. Just imagine how the world would be if governments made the right decisions in the 1970s. We’d probably have no fossil fuels at all, electric cars were the norm and probably much more nuklear energy. Still capitalism but without climate change.

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      That might work on paper, but not in reality.

      Look, capitalism was also a great idea on paper, no doubt there… how things panned out, that’s an entirely different story.

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        Capitalism was good, and useful, as an improvement over Feudalism.

        Now, it’s time to do better and move towards the next stage in our evolution. Socialism.

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          That one’s been tried - spoiler: it’s worse.

          Pick literally any former USSR state and compare the improvements in living standards before and after socialism.