• vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    To date, France has installed border checks at every single one of its borders – in the name of combatting terrorism.

    This is patently untrue.

    What else is this article lying about?

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      This is patently untrue.

      It’s not technically correct since there’s no controls at the border with Monaco (I think), but France does officially informed the EU that it has temporary controls at all other borders until the end of October.

      New terrorist threats, increasing risk of terrorist organisations present on national territory targeting the Rugby World Cup taking place in September and October 2023, increase in irregular entry flows at the external borders (from the Central Mediterranean and the Western Balkans); internal borders with Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain

      https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/schengen-area/temporary-reintroduction-border-control_en

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      Says they are here as well

      https://www.fragomen.com/insights/european-unionschengen-area-internal-schengen-border-checks-further-extended.html

      EU source:

      France 01/05/2023 - 31/10/2023 New terrorist threats, increasing risk of terrorist organisations present on national territory targeting the Rugby World Cup taking place in September and October 2023, increase in irregular entry flows at the external borders (from the Central Mediterranean and the Western Balkans); internal borders with Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain

      https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/schengen-area/temporary-reintroduction-border-control_en

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        Except I’ve crossed the border with Belgium and Luxemburg five times in total since May and I have seen no controls.

        Has anyone?

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          The article says “installed border checks”, not “walled off the entire border”. The article gives no quantification given how many checks there actually are. You can only infer that there’s at least one for every border.

          With EU border it’s always clear that you can cross the border if you want to. E.g. Denmark - until recently - checked me every time I drove across the border, but if I wanted to, I could have stopped kilometer off, and just walked. They didn’t control foot traffic and the border fence is specifically designed to be easy to cross for humans (but not boars).

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          Haven’t seen any border control either and we cross several borders between Belgium, France, Germany and Austria each year. The only border control I’ve ever seen is in Basel, Switzerland, and even that is never a big deal, they have never actually stopped us.

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    Schengen doesn’t technically mean no borders though does it? It means right to go between countries without visa/passport and without a limit on days.

    That’s what I always thought anyway.

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      The treaty includes an obligation to abolish regular border controls.

      They can be temporarily reintroduced if needed, based on a proportionality requirement. The article argues this provision is being overused.

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      Schengen doesn’t technically mean no borders though does it? It means right to go between countries without visa/passport and without a limit on days.

      Not really. That’s under the roules of the single market/four freedoms/EEA. Schengen is a more or less separate thing and only governs border controls (which are generally outlawed but with exceptions). There are quite a few EEA countries that aren’t in Schengen (Irelands, Romania, Bulgaria) and a few countries (Monacco, San Marino, the Vatican) that are not in the EEA but kinda participating in Schengen.

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        Oh. I thought it was more specifically a passport thing, and that the citizens of non-schengen EEA countries would still need a passport to enter the Schengen countries, whilst members of the Schengen countries could re-enter with others forms of ID too.

        I didn’t realise Schengen basically outlaws borders. Thanks for educating me :)