Stop wearing Vision Pro goggles while driving your Tesla: U.S. transportation officials, Calif. police::Videos, many of them stunts or jokes, of people wearing Apple’s new virtual reality headset while driving Teslas in Autopilot mode prompted officials to issue warnings.
The new goggles have a feature that merges digital apps and one’s surroundings into one immersive space
Isn’t this just AR? We’ve had that for years. Or is it somehow different from existing AR?
Ah, you seem to have made a rookie mistake, poor people are using AR, apple users are using spatial computing
It is slightly different, but in a way that’s worse.
AR uses a transparent overlay over reality perceived through a translucent surface, or at most a small subset of your vision is replaced. Think sunglasses with a screen you can see through, or a small corner of your vision is blocked by a tiny screen.
In Apple’s “spatial computing” cameras recreate and alter reality, nothing you see is with your own eyes because no part of the display is transparent.
Exactly, it’s VR with passthrough.
I have to laugh at “spatial computing” though.
And VR with passthrough has been a thing at least in pro grade VR for like a decade.
apple never released any tech that wasn’t already “mature” - mp3 players existed before the iPod, mobile phones before the iPhone,…
Ima call it vr with passthrough from now on
AFAIK there is no strict definition for AR how current reality has to be implemented, and both transparent and reprojected have their advantages and disadvantages. For example it’s much harder to “pin” augmentation on transparent AR, on the other hand latency and FOV are big issues for reprojected AR.
You ever seen the myth busters episode where they try to drive a car through cameras and computer monitors?
It didn’t go well
While I completely agree that it is a very bad idea to drive with one, you have to give credit where credit is due. Apple really did an amazing job at reducing latency of the passthrough. That being said it’s still added latency and it’s a very very narrow FOV so please don’t go driving/walking around with that thing.
Oh shit. That makes them less appealing, then.
I wish I could say this scenario is unlikely, but nowadays? Who knows! So, picture this:
- John likes to use his Apple goggles from 11pm to 1am.
- Hackers get into his googles and install some malware.
- Now they can walk in front of John without being seen.
That wouldn’t happen if the goggles were truly transparent.
AR uses a transparent overlay over reality perceived through a translucent surface
No. Apple even has an entire library called ARKit to do Augmented Reality on a screen. For them, it has never meant transparent.
Just because developers name libraries things doesn’t make them accurate. Generally when something is misnamed it’s because of backwards/intercomaptibility or just design decisions that differ from original implementations and it’s no longer feasible/reasonable to refactor to a different name.
Examples: windows 7 was version 6.1, windows 8 was version 6.2, windows 8.1 was version 6.3 Java 5 was versioned as 1.5, continuing the convention from previous releases 1.2-1.4 Hell, where I work we use an automation workflow with functions called stuff like “create_and_assign_citrix_security_groups_to_static_containers” that has long since been adapted to work with vmware and other non-virtualization platforms like k8s. Refactoring those functions would mean refactoring any external automation that uses these libraries, just like refactoring versioning schemas would break compatibility with any external software that relies on an assumption that windows >xp would be 6.X.
I understand what you’re saying, but politely disagree. The OP of this thread asked “isn’t this just AR”. In the context of Apple - yes, it is.
No hate if you disagree, your reasoning is sound. I just think that naming, especially in the new tech space, goes beyond pedantry. We have words that are specific enough to describe two similar technologies, but we only retain shared understanding of those words if we collectively use them. It may be the case that AR evolves to be commonly understood as encompassing both technologies but they are fundamentally different in how they work, whatever we choose to call them.
Oh shit I don’t want to be a poor people I need to get something with spatial computing!
That’s the point where you sell your fridge and cut on baby diapers for your kids
Be real, it is spatial pornography.
AR just means augmented reality, it says nothing of how it should be implemented
I watched some reviews about it. Yes, it’s basically like having an iPad screen taped to your eyes.
AR of that visual quality has required the user to be stationary and tied to a large computer.
It’s pretty good AR from what I hear but still AR.
pretty good VR*: all of the user’s field of vision is digitally (re-)created.
If you load up an AR app on your phone, it will often overlap the augmentation over the camera image. So I think reprojecting the outside world using cameras and augmenting that in VR is also a form of AR. Maybe we need a new name for this specifically, though? I don’t know. But maybe AVR or VAR?
We don’t need another name because it’s a very common - almost expected - feature in VR headsets. My headset has monochromatic cameras for passthrough, but it’s still a VR headset.
Also, often the whole idea is that this passthrough layer can be toggled at anytime or even gradually mixed with the computer-generated reality, so creating another name will just increase confusion.
I’m not sure about your definition of AR, but if the camera is showing the real world plus digital content then it’s augmented reality.
Here is some definition:
In virtual reality (VR), the users’ perception of reality is completely based on virtual information. In augmented reality (AR) the user is provided with additional computer- generated information within the data collected from real life that enhances their perception of reality.
showing the real world plus digital content then it’s augmented reality
But it isn’t. AR means direct optical contact with the real world augmented with a digital / computer-generated layer. What Apple’s VR does is recreate the real pov digitally using cameras, so it’s VR.
Apple’s tech builds a digital world and adds a “reality” layer on top - meaning the user only sees displays. AR’s like Google Glass do the opposite, adding a digital layer on top of the real thing.
I can assure you, there exists no such consensus on the definition of any of the terms.
The most universal you’ll get for AR is the combination of primarily real-world with some digital aspects.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality–virtuality_continuum
I’ve read extensively on the topic. Albeit a couple of years ago.
The terms are up for definition, I’ve read a ton and there is no specific consensus about optically seeing reality
Apple already invented the phrase/name: Spatial Computing
I was thinking more of a general term. I can imagine apple putting all kinds of trademarks over any term they’re going to use.
So there was a guy in the “viral video” thread yesterday fighting tooth and nail for how harmful the video is even if it’s staged, mainly on the premise thats bunch of people would copy and recreate it. They were getting downvoted to oblivion.
Here we are a day later.
They were getting downvoted to oblivion.
Downvotes are a fucking curse. They were never meant for disagreement. They’ve just turned into low-effort echo-chamber creators.
Ironically, I’ve been downvoted for saying this in response to somebody sympathizing with my previous downvoted comment that was expanding in support of somebody’s highly upvoted comment with some background.
I think the general sentiment on Lemmy is that any comment reply must surely be in disagreement and receives an automatic downvote. Mostly I visit the comments for discourse and upvote interesting threads of conversation.
In my opinion, really there should be no downvote button.
It really is just Reddit 2.0 here sometimes…
Always has been.
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As soon as i disagree with someone i get downvoted. Lemmy or anywhere else. Most are children so whatever
You replied to me, so you’re disagreeing with me, right? Downvoted.
/s, in case that wasn’t abundantly clear
Wait, do I downvote myself now?
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I prefer to have downvotes because they give you a better picture than, say, upvotes only.
Popular or important comments in an upvote-only system will still float to the top. And now we don’t know how many people disagreed (HA!) with them.
I rarely downvote. If I disagree with someone that means no up vote most times. Downvote should be limited to spam, harmful or completely irrelevant.
I’ve been downvoted to oblivion before just because I don’t agree with the hive mind. That to me is scary and people should be concerned that’s even a thing.
Yup. The amount of times I saw a comment that was downvoted to oblivion for containing a shred of nuance and that required the most minute sliver of time’s worth of critical thinking getting downvoted unjustly boggles the brain. Downvotes are literally contagious for probably 50%-60% of users. When a few downvoted roll in to something slightly nuanced, the already small likelihood that people could engage with the nuance drops to absolute zero and the downvotes just keep piling up. Says quite a lot.
Precisely. I abhor the phrase, but it’s demonstrably a case of herd mentality.
And Jesus wept for there were no more worlds to conquer
Stop saying Jesus wept
Stop saying stop saying Jesus wept
I wonder if your downvoters know that this was a line from the episode
Probably not
Give me money for my church
World’s within worlds!
Speculating on the vastness of the universe, Alexander wept. Asked why, he replied Is it not worthy of tears, that, when the number of worlds is infinite, we have not yet become lords of a single one?
First we had the Glassholes, now there’s Prolapses.
I expect nothing less from Tesla drivers
How can people be so stupid… At least, a VR headset is easy spottable by police and those bastards can be removed from the streets.
Dante Lentini, 21, who posted a video of himself behind the wheel of a moving Tesla while wearing a Vision Pro headset, said in an interview, “It was all just for content.”
Well, maybe when they revoke their licence they can tell them “it was all just for other people’s safety”.
It’s just
a prankcontent bro!
Better yet, stop driving Tesla.
it’s basically just hololens right?
also visionos is not the first “spatial os”, windows 10 was the first. (ever notice how stuff has circular glow effect around it? it’s supposed to show up around the pointer while using the os in vr/ar)
Microsoft quickly abandoned the idea tho as well as basically the whole uwp platform (which was supposed to bring the same apps on pc, windows mobile, xbox and hololens)It’s camera pass-through, so while it is the same idea as hololens (overlaying windows on reality). The hololens would actually be a safer thing to wear while driving, given it fully transparent. There are not screens blocking your vision with camera feeds overlayed on top.
Very important distinction. When the apple vr battery dies, or the software fails, you’re suddenly blind.
How long does it take to become unblind? I’m guessing maybe a second or two.
At 35 mph, A 2-second reaction time will get someone killed.
Tell that to anyone that needs to mess with their touch apps to control the car while driving or adjusting the radio or checking emails/text messages/facebook/instagram or anything else that currently takes your attention away from the road. I am not say that you should be allowed to play with a VR headset while driving but the argument that “you are blind” is a bit dramatic.
That’s just a strawman or a “what-aboutism.” What you described is also a big problem, and the reason I will never buy a car with a big fat ipad as a dashboard.
Hololens is slightly more advanced. At least the last I saw it uses waveguides etc. to overlay the content over a transparent panel. Much like Google glasses, but way, way more advanced (and therefore justifiably expensive - last I saw, again, it was something like $15000). AVP is no different to a $300 Quest (plus internal cameras for iris and expression tracking and obnoxiously bad FOV) - it’s 10x Apple tax.
Hololens is still alive and kicking btw, but it’s exclusively enterprise.
HoloLens 2 was supposed to cost 3500$
also iirc there were cheaper hololens-compatible headsets made by third parties at the time (not anymore) marketed towards consumers
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Deep throat it harder daddy
If he deep throats it anymore it will be sticking out of his ass lol
well if resolution is your main point, then there are cheaper headsets with double the resolution (8k/eye)
Keep deep throating that apple cock
VR is great porn
Microsoft should have stuck with HoloLens
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Videos being shared across social media this week depict an almost dystopian, futuristic scene: drivers of Teslas in Autopilot mode while wearing Apple Vision Pro headsets, seemingly unaware of the road in front of them.
The new goggles have a feature that merges digital apps and one’s surroundings into one immersive space, and videos of people wearing them in strange settings have started to crop up across the internet since they were released on Feb. 2.
Dante Lentini, 21, who posted a video of himself behind the wheel of a moving Tesla while wearing a Vision Pro headset, said in an interview, “It was all just for content.”
Across social media, videos and images have circulated not just of people driving while wearing the Vision Pro headset, but also while dining at restaurants and working out at the gym.
Eric Decker, a YouTube and TikTok creator who goes by the name Airrack, posted a video poking fun at an “average day for an Apple Vision Pro owner,” showing him wearing the headset while lifting weights at the gym, getting his hair cut, going through airport security, walking down a street and even showering.
Apple has billed Vision Pro as a “spatial computing” device that allows users to watch videos, send emails and surf the internet in a immersive virtual reality.
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For once, I agree with California
I thought that was Xander from Buffy at first.
Do you fucking job and then maybe I’ll stop wearing Vision Pro goggles while driving my Tesla.
Shut up, Elon.
No. Try again
Just kind of an asshole then I guess
I’m guessing they mean ACAB
Gotcha makes sense now
